Interview
with St. Justin Martyr
Time:
AD
165 – during the reign of Marcus Aurelius.
Place:
Rome;
tried under the prefect Rusticus, a philosopher and teacher of Marcus Aurelius.
Charge: Bearing
the name of Christian.
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Interviewer
–
Welcome back everyone. You are listening
to Meet the Martyrs with yours truly,
Dr. Montgomery Montgomery III. This is the
show where we conduct live interviews with Christians who are condemned to
death for their beliefs. Today I am
joined live by Justin.
Justin
– Thank
you doctor for having me on the show.
Interviewer
– Justin,
can you describe for our listeners today the predicament you are in right now.
Justin
– Sure
. . . although I wouldn’t call it a predicament so much as a blessing. In just a few moments, I and six of my
companions are scheduled to be executed by order of the prefect Rusticus, under
charges brought against by Crescens, a so-called Cynic philosopher.
Interviewer
– What
charges?
Justin
– Well,
if you want my own answer . . . for speaking the truth. Not that this is a surprise; I have been
predicting my death for some time now. It
is a pattern attested to throughout history that those who strive to live
according to right reason are hated and often even killed. Thus evil and unreasoning men killed the true
philosophers; certain of the Stoics and in particular Socrates are perfect
examples of this fact. These
philosophers were men who in their lifetimes attained glimpses of truth, and by
their exhortations to others, which the truth they discovered demanded them to
make, they brought the scorn of unthinking men upon their heads. I knew
it would only be a matter of time before they also would kill me and my
companions. Men are not executed for
their beliefs – for as you know many varied and contradictory beliefs are
tolerated within this empire – but men are
persecuted for holding to the Truth.
Interviewer
– It
seems that a just sentence should only be made in response to some crime. What crime
are you being accused of?
Justin
– That
is just the point; this sentencing is completely unjust: not only in our case,
but Christians all over the empire are being killed not because we are
fornicators or adulterers or murders or thieves, indeed, not for any crime at
all – in fact Christians are the most exemplary in avoiding these heinous acts. It is only the name “Christian” which
condemns us to be killed.
Interviewer
– You
say all this, and yet, don’t your accusers themselves claim to be philosophers?
Justin
– They
are merely pseudo-philosophers. They do
not truly seek wisdom, but rather are lovers of false opinion. These vile and evil men are willing to condemn
others to death for simply bearing the name of Christian, and yet they
themselves do nothing to learn the beauty and power of the teaching which that
name expresses. They do not deserve the
name ‘philosopher’! Indeed, they are
worse than ignorant slaves; even a slave is wary to press a charge in a matter
of which he is ignorant. However, these
men press charges concerning a teaching of which they know nothing – a fact
which my frequent debates with them has made evident. Such willful ignorance is opposed to the very
notion of philosophy.
Interviewer
– Now,
you yourself have been recognized as a philosopher. Could you tell us how you came to philosophy?
Justin
–
Sure . . . I was attracted to philosophy from a young age and thus spent many
years studying under the various schools of thought in the Greek philosophical
tradition; but these studies never satisfied my desire for truth; the
contradictory opinions which I discovered there at times even led me to despair
of ever finding the whole truth. One
day, when I had sought a lonely place by the sea to turn some of these thoughts
in my mind, I came upon a mysterious man who, enquiring into my downcast
appearance, told me to look to the prophets, those men who had lived and taught
long before the philosophers. These
prophets, he told me, were holy men, loved by God, who, inspired by the Holy
Spirit, were able to communicate the truth – they proved this by predicting
many future events, chief among them being the coming of Christ, which were
proved true. After thinking over this
mysterious man’s words, I came to realize that the Christian religion was the
only true philosophy. Yes, many
philosophers certainly gained and continue to gain access to some parts of the
truth (and I do not cease even now to admire and look up to them for their
achievements), but with the coming of Word Incarnate, Christ Himself, that
Truth is in its fullness found only within the Church which He established.
Interviewer
– Did
your conversion cause tensions with the philosophy you had spent so many years
studying?
Justin
–
Certainly not. True, there were points
that had to be critically examined, but many elements were true, in fact some
pointed almost directly to Christ. As I
have often said, two roads have been leading to Christ throughout history: the
Old Testament prophets pointed to Him in typologies; the philosophers pointed
to Him as parts to the whole.
Interviewer
– Do
you see any value now in using philosophy in the Christian faith? Or is there not rather some danger of mixing
pagan thought with revealed truth?
Justin
–
On the contrary, the real danger is to think that the truth comes in two
completely separate and irreconcilable packages. Obviously this cannot be the case because
truth is not truth if it is not one. Authentic
truth is one! And for this reason, I
have no fear of the truths gained in philosophy; inasmuch as they are true,
they belong to the Christian heritage: they are “seeds of truth.” In fact, I
would not hesitate to call those philosophers who strove to act according to
right reason Christians. On the other
hand, you don’t need to look very far to see the result of a religion that is
clearly afraid of reason.
Interviewer
– Would
you mind explaining that?
Justin
– It
should be obvious to all your listeners that the pagans practice foolishness in
their idol worship. We Christians do not
simply make bare statements about our faith, for we are always ready and able
to answer any reasonable question put to us.
The pagans on the other hand, practice foolishness on the authority of
un-provable myths alone. They apply the title
of “god” to manmade and corruptible likenesses, which, oddly enough, require
constant care. What stupidity, that men
should carve and shape gods out of vile materials and demand veneration towards
these images! How do these men worship
as creator an image they themselves have created! Furthermore, their pagan practices often are in
contradiction with each other: some of them worship mice and crocodiles, while
others do not consider these to be gods, but rather use mice and crocodiles as
sacrificial victims to be offered before the real gods, which they believe to be cats. I’m sure you can see the logic problem here.
Interviewer
– I
certainly do. One last question, as I
can see that your executioners are already making their final
preparations. Why don’t you Christians
all commit suicide, and thus go directly to God?
Justin
– I’m glad you asked, for many are in the dark
on this point. We certainly will go
directly to God because we are suffering death in defense of the truth; but we
are not bringing death upon ourselves directly.
Interviewer
– If
you do not will your own death, then why don’t you just offer the incense to
save yourselves?
Justin
–
Offering incense to a false god is an ungodly act and not worthy of those who
serve the Truth. We believe that the
true God created us for a purpose: so that we might seek to imitate Him in His
perfections and so be found pleasing in His sight. To either practice idolatry or to commit
suicide are both actions which would bring us away from God. However, to be martyred for refusing to give
up the truth for the sake of preserving mere earthly existence is not only
pleasing to God, but is in imitation of His Son.
Interviewer
– And
with those final words, I must let you go.
Thank you Justin for spending some of your last moments sharing your
thoughts with our listeners, and I sincerely hope that you attain the happiness
which you long for.
Justin
–
Thank you Dr. Montgomery for having me.
And let me just give a final message to your listeners. If you have found the Truth, don’t renounce
it, even at the cost of your own life.
And if you have not found it, do not rest until you rest in that Truth,
without which your life will be meaningless.
Interviewer
– And
there you have it folks. That was
Justin, philosopher, Christian and soon to be martyr. Who knows, perhaps they might change his name
to Justin Martyr one of these days.
You’ve been listening to Meet the
Martyrs; I’m Dr. Montgomery Montgomery III wishing you all a pleasant
afternoon.
Sources
used in the production of this fictional interview:
Justin Martyr, The First Apology & The Second Apology & Dialogue with Trypho, trans. Thomas B.
Falls. New York: Christian Heritage,
1948.
Pope Benedict XVI, Church Fathers. San Fransisco: Ignatius
Press, 2008.
Eusebius, Church History. At New Advent,
www.newadvent.org.